— It was difficult to get hold of a basket at that time (1993–1994) (...) I recalled life in the countryside, and how they wove them there. But I didn't have any material. I needed some vine (...) And so I thought to myself, "Maybe I'll make it without vine?" Tanya! (...) I saw, to be brief, these ribbons for wrapping stuff up, and wondered if it would be possible to weave baskets from them. So, when I was getting the ribbons together, I suddenly thought to myself, "How can I weave with them?" So, like, when we used to weave with vine we started from the top. It's fixed around the rim. But here I had some problems. I, like, got a bit lost here. And then I decided to try the other way round – to start weaving from the bottom (...) – but this didn't work out either. I got a square board and separated these ribbons and started to weave across. And this is how I got the bottom. I started to fold, but the shape didn't turn out so well. What to do? I started to think. Maybe I could use a bucket? I got hold of a bucket and put it on this square, and started to fold the ribbons inside it. But they wouldn't stay still. What to do? I got some rope, well, fixed it on with the rope, and then it held still like I needed it to. Then I needed to do the rim. I got stuck here too. Then I remembered that I have, that, that thing (...) uh, insulating tape. I decided to use it. So, I took it, did the rim from that and started to braid. When I'd finished braiding, they turned out kind of like bars. There was no levelness at all (...) I started to flatten. I flattened everything, and there was nothing left over.