— It was difficult to find floor lamps 30 or 40 years ago. So we made them ourselves. Got hold of some copper pipes with long ends, sharpened this round pancake here on a lathe. It was so heavy. Can you imagine how they were, the beams? They were iron things and they had to be heavy – from steel, rather, ordinary steel, a circular piece, a detail, thick and sharpened. And so there were two holes in it, threaded. I mean, there has to be a kind of shelf thing here and under here two openings. So the shelf has to go here, and, beneath it, under this corner, two 12 mm holes. We got the pipes, drilled them, cut them here and also at the ends. So here are these two pieces. Here's the threading, and they screw into the base. And here's this platform here, made of this stuff, or something like ebonite. Have you ever heard of black ebonite? Then you take some fine sandpaper and rub it, and rub it, and then it turns black and shines beautifully. Then at the top you put in two more beams – two at different ends – and then two more long copper pipes, cut off another millimeter, like for a socket threading, then two more sockets, buy a nice lampshade and you've got yourself a floor lamp. Very pretty, of course. Well, it was interesting for me to make anyway.